Live and in your face on the Hoffman vanity board - a lively discussion of mini-LP CD packaging.
Started by moron of the year "TarnishedEars", and appropriate moniker if there ever was one:
"The things that I dislike about this style of packaging include:
1) It doesn't fit inside of precisely spaced CD-Racks.
2) It is virtually impossible to remove a disk from the inner sleeve without getting finger-prints all over it.
3) The packaging just seems like it was deliberately created to be disposable.
4) The fold-outs wear unevenly.
5) Covers wear poorly when inserted into a shelf of CDs.
6) After you've spent 2 minutes removing the first set of finger-prints that you put on the disk when taking it out, you then put a whole new set on the disk when you attempt to replace it into the sleeve.
Seriously: Has anyone even figured-out how to remove a disk from a MoFi sleeve without getting finger-prints all over the disk yet? "
Yes, dimwit, I have! Just take it out by gently pulling on the RICE PAPER INNER SLEEVE you frigging' moron. Just like an LP - have you ever taken an LP out of its inner sleeve without getting fingerprints all over it? Yes indeed, I learned that by grade 6.
Doesn't fit inside of your pretty, precisely spaced CD racks? GET OVER IT. See your doctor about obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Covers wear poorly when inserted into a shelf of CD's? Hey Dumbo, did you not put your record covers into outer sleeves when you were doing vinyl back in the day?
I have to admit, though, in the Wal-Mart mentality and bottom feeding culture that permeates Hoffman land, I'm not surprised that the Andy From Mayberry and Fred Flintstone types have a problem with their clumsy mitts and a mini-LP package.
Let's look at some other bon mots from the Hoffmanites:
From Jay F., the freak side of Hoffman - "+1. I loathe, hate, and detest them. They seem to have been created for people who don't actually listen to them." So what do you do with them, Jay, if not listen? Are there CD's for listening and some for other than listening?
KeithH, who looks strangely like pedophile harborer Joe Paterno, says "Mini-LP sleeves look nice but are not practical." What's not practical? They take up less space. That alone makes them much more practical.
"Holy Diver", who clearly has delusions of deification, says "The packaging is OK, but most mini LP masterings are wasted beyond belief." Really? Tell that to Mobile Fidelity. Stupid, this imbecile hasn't even heard many I guess. But...he has an opinion!
Rburly, who is a very pretty and chesty blonde, shows her blondness: "I took out an original CD pressing from the mid-80s and found the jewel case to feel very sturdy and hefty with the CD inside. I wish CD makers would go back to the original style. They feel practically bullet-proof. It's probably why I seek out original pressings unless another pressing is generally agreed to be the best pressing."
So...you buy a CD specifically because it has a jewel case...not because of sound quality...what a Hoffmanite!
"I am also not a fan. I've developed a way of removing the disc from the sleeve without getting fingerprints on it, but every time I do it, I'm annoyed that I have to do something special."
Wow - this rocket scientist has actually developed a special way of taking a CD out of a sleeve! He should be teaching a university course.
MrBritt, who is usually just another dumb Hoffman lemming, actually posts exactly the right information on getting a CD out of a mini-LP package - which really, not even a child of modest intelligence could not do easily (my 7 year old does it all the time), and the Fred Flintstones are all over him.
Worst of which is the ever self-important Kevin Bresnahan, who has been laughed off just about every other corner of the Internet for his pompous mis-information: "
With the RVG CDs from Japan (in glossy mini-LPs), if you squeeze the edge to spread open the mouth the mini-LP, it doesn't work because the CD stops you. On top of that, if you do manage to get the front and back covers to bow and bit and do get your fingers (more likely fingernails) in there, you've probably damaged the mini-LP sleeve permanently."
Actually, the Japanese RVG Blue Notes came in nice mini-LP sleeves that were not tight fitting at all, a little shake would cause the round bottom inner to slide out easily.
"Not really sure why MoFi abandoned lift locks in favor of mini-LP." - Hoffman Hero "Say It Right" has been around the internet for years but obviously thinks he can get everything he needs from Daddy Hoff. The Lift Locks are no longer manufactured, as when MOFI originally shut down, their main customer evaporated. Besides, those cases were notoriously delicate and broke easily, which would drive Huffmanites bonkers.
"Bluesky" from Florida proves the decline of Western civilization, at least the American intellectually decline: "It especially bumbs me out that you can't read what CD it is when it's in the CD rack." Bumbs...new word! Brilliant! Get glasses, asshole, you are an old fucker and you need 'em. I can read them just fine, thanks. YOU are the problem, not the package.
Really, the Hoffman board has long been about whiners and sycophants who come together to get validation for their obsessive compulsive issues. A group of crybabies who come across like a bunch of petulant little girls. But this is well beyond their waste of bandwidth complaining about shipping times and cracked jewel cases. It's really sick.
Bresnahan says "The jewel case was invented to properly hold a CD in a way that makes it easy to get out without damaging it." And a number of other Hoffmanites say that the proper case for a CD is one where the disc does not touch the package at all, and where the disc can be removed without fingers touching the playing surface.
In fact, the only case that remotely comes close to those specifications is the Lift-Lock case most typically found on pre-Music Direct Mobile Fidelity discs, and old DCC gold discs. It is almost impossible to keep any contact away from the playing surface when picking up a disc from a jewel case - the fingers inevitably must tough the outer edge of the playing surface. The disc is not free from contact with the jewel case either, and jewel cases break easily, hubs are easily broken and floating teeth from the hub can easily scratch the playing surface, and overall, the jewel case is not that sturdy. Doesn't look too good over time either - gets pretty scuffed up.
So what it boils down to on this topic at Hoffman is that the mini-LP detractors can be grouped into two types - Fred Flintstone guys who are too clumsy to get a disc out of a rice paper inner sleeve, and obsessive dainty types who fret about their Best Buy CD racks not being suitable for mini-LP sleeves.
It's a strange world out there, as we watch the decline of Western civilization unfold at the Hoffman board.
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